
Excerpt from the interview
Ego Lemos’s permaculture of land, water, and youth
In Remexio sub-district, in Timor-Leste's central highlands, a spring that had run dry for years is flowing again. It matters because Ego Lemos remembers exactly what it replaced: travelling rural Timor around 2004, he watched women and children queue for water from 2am, walking long distances up and down hills before dawn just to fill a jerry can. For kids today those hours are spent in school instead. The change came from swales and check-dams built by hand, and from retention ponds once carved out by wallowing water buffalo, now rehabilitated to recharge the aquifer beneath; permaculture applied at the scale of an entire watershed, not a single garden bed. "Every time people ask me, where is the permaculture garden, I always point to the whole country of Timor-Leste," he says - the organization Ego built from a single motorbike into a network now reaching hundreds of villages across Timor-Leste. "With Permatil, the three words I came up with were land, water, and youth," he says: restoring the land, restoring the water, and empowering young people as change-makers in their own communities.
Gardens, springs, and a curriculum
In 2013, Ego took a role reforming Timor-Leste's national primary curriculum and found every subject being revised except art and culture, dismissed as unimportant. He argued the opposite, won the right to lead that reform himself, and introduced a new unit called Permaculture Garden nationwide. "It's not to focus on production, he says, school garden is used as an outdoor classroom for science, nutrition, and environmental learning," a distinction that turns composting and raised beds into something a child carries home and rebuilds with their family. The government later restored tara bandu, Timor-Leste's customary environmental law, knowledge Permatil's field teams now consult directly, through the lia nain, the traditional elders who hold a spring's history, before any restoration project begins.
Restoring a collapsed watershed
In Aileu's Remexio sub-district, a €307,500 Kiwa Initiative grant, delivered through IUCN, funded an eighteen-month project rehabilitating buffalo-carved retention ponds, swales, and check-dams to recharge a watershed that had, in Permatil's own assessment, effectively collapsed. Ego calls the method “seeding water”: more than 170 springs revived under Kiwa, and 800 nationwide, tallied catchment by catchment rather than village by village. "We are not doing piloting," he says: Permatil works up through Timor-Leste's own administrative units, from the aldeia, the smallest hamlet, to the suco; enter a suco, and every aldeia in it gets restored, not just the one a visitor might see, because the model has already been proven, and what's needed now is funding at the scale to expand it further.
For Ego, Kiwa's model matters precisely because it breaks from that pattern: funding that trusts local leadership to design and run a project end to end, rather than treating a community as a subcontractor for someone else's plan. What Kiwa calls a Nature-based Solution, Ego calls tara bandu combined with permaculture: an old claim on the land, given new tools and, for the first time, the resources to scale. The knowledge to survive a place, he keeps insisting, already exists inside the people who live there. Kiwa's role, in his account, has clearly been to help that knowledge reach further.

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